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Will Truckers Ditch Diesel?

WSJ -- Rising diesel costs last year forced Waste Management Inc. WM +0.91% to charge customers an extra $169 million, just to keep its garbage trucks fueled. This year, the nation's biggest trash hauler has a new defensive strategy: it is buying trucks that will run on cheaper natural gas.

In fact, the company says 80% of the trucks it purchases during the next five years will be fueled by natural gas. Though the vehicles cost about $30,000 more than conventional diesel models, each will save $27,000-a-year or more in fuel, says Eric Woods, head of fleet logistics for Waste Management. By 2017, the company expects to burn more natural gas than diesel.

"The economics favoring natural gas are overwhelming," says Scott Perry, a vice president at Ryder Systems Inc., R +2.31% one of the nation's l

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Submitted May 24, 2012 By: mastermariner

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LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,609 Points:1,206,455 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: May 26, 2012 2:58:02 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse NG makes sense. As it was said before lets wait and see.
jerej829 Champion Author Memphis Posts:2,861 Points:694,940 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: May 26, 2012 12:01:43 PM Ignore jerej829 Report Abuse wait and see.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,049 Points:2,346,485 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 25, 2012 4:03:39 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse Diesel is the best fuel for trucks and there is no other fuel, made from crude oil, with a reasonable price that can replace it. Bio diesel is expensive when made from algae or other 'green' alternatives. Natural gas is cheaper for now, it takes more fuel to operate the trucks and what about the price when more and more trucks and cars use this fuel? Keep the price of natural gas low for home heating use. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost, if possible! The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
goldrose1 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:10,946 Points:1,926,555 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: May 25, 2012 1:17:25 AM Ignore goldrose1 Report Abuse Cost savings. Less polluted air. We don't really need so much gas/diesel. Heck Big Oil is exporting. Who are we kidding.
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:5,609 Points:800,300 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: May 25, 2012 12:06:31 AM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse Intelligent move.
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:10,906 Points:2,133,555 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:42:48 PM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse As multi-mode for intra-continental freight becomes prevalent, the range needed to truck becomes much shorter, from base, to factory, to multi-mode rail yard or dock, back to base. Rarely would that reach 100 miles round trip. If you really needed long range, then a LNG setup makes more sense.
nomad228 Champion Author Columbus Posts:3,117 Points:575,140 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:41:53 PM Ignore nomad228 Report Abuse i say take your own trash to the dump and then you don't have to pay wasted management anything....... but did you know they(the county) can now put a lien on your property taxes to make you pay them and you can't take your trash to the dump to avoid inflated pricing on your trash service.even though the state laws say if you can provide the service yourself or find another provider cheaper you don't have to use wasted management.if you don't believe it look up your state law on trash service. basically it is like when the mob use to force homeowners and businesses to use their service only,but instead of the mob our own gov'ment is forcing you to buy another service from one company instead of allowing you to choose.what do they call that a monopoly for wasted management.blah blah blah means no one in gov'ment is listening or they would check into this misuse of power. reminds me of that simpsons episode where they hired homer to get rid of the trash anywhere he can anyway he can. : ) who cares about the mileage how about local govment forcing the use of one company creating a monopoly for that company.hmmmm?
69Bonne Champion Author Gary Posts:1,160 Points:475,100 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:35:19 PM Ignore 69Bonne Report Abuse Not until they can find CNG at every truck stop....
Bud122CA Champion Author California Posts:7,476 Points:1,607,050 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:34:27 PM Ignore Bud122CA Report Abuse I wonder how much they were paid off or given loans for?
METEOR49 Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,177 Points:456,200 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:24:36 PM Ignore METEOR49 Report Abuse will they be able to get the long distance mileage out of cng? , they can't be stopping to fuel up every few hours
heartbroken2010 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:4,354 Points:898,885 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:24:31 PM Ignore heartbroken2010 Report Abuse ok.
Colts13 Champion Author Indiana Posts:1,586 Points:550,160 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:23:54 PM Ignore Colts13 Report Abuse Smart move.
jjfisher All-Star Author Toledo Posts:547 Points:749,460 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:22:46 PM Ignore jjfisher Report Abuse As soon as CNG is more readily available on our major highways you will see more truckers switch off diesel.
Matt G Champion Author Boston Posts:4,543 Points:2,774,990 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:22:18 PM Ignore Matt G Report Abuse No
regout Champion Author Quebec Posts:2,960 Points:833,680 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:21:09 PM Ignore regout Report Abuse OK.
2bigtanks All-Star Author Akron Posts:772 Points:371,610 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:20:43 PM Ignore 2bigtanks Report Abuse Okay
DTrainCanada Champion Author Saskatoon Posts:1,848 Points:1,422,450 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:20:20 PM Ignore DTrainCanada Report Abuse Could change as technology does ... Who thought the postal service would be on its last legs ...
Cheney Champion Author Toronto Posts:2,024 Points:2,536,100 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:19:50 PM Ignore Cheney Report Abuse good move.
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,630 Points:3,496,655 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:19:40 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse But Waste Management will not lower the costs that they charge even if they have huge savings. Trash collections fees will continue to increase.
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,620 Points:1,143,220 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:17:35 PM Ignore NedW Report Abuse Let's just drill more.
tippybuddy Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,523 Points:207,740 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:17:25 PM Ignore tippybuddy Report Abuse not likely
crreed1 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:1,995 Points:2,528,285 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:15:57 PM Ignore crreed1 Report Abuse I don't think so
AuntJaime Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,869 Points:401,310 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:15:54 PM Ignore AuntJaime Report Abuse xx
HEBster Champion Author Kentucky Posts:8,793 Points:2,375,000 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:15:18 PM Ignore HEBster Report Abuse Slowly...but surely
letterchunker Champion Author Texas Posts:2,245 Points:667,675 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:15:09 PM Ignore letterchunker Report Abuse Not many
TheeRedRam Champion Author Hartford Posts:3,168 Points:673,610 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:14:40 PM Ignore TheeRedRam Report Abuse Something needs to be done about the GREED in the Oil Industry.
silverfoxv65 Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,485 Points:1,231,025 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:13:10 PM Ignore silverfoxv65 Report Abuse They will do what they have to when the time comes.
FlyNFool Champion Author South Carolina Posts:8,249 Points:1,686,175 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:12:19 PM Ignore FlyNFool Report Abuse Almost break even in a year but what about availability?
Toppers Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,022 Points:2,472,645 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:10:30 PM Ignore Toppers Report Abuse Good read...
miser709 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,268 Points:1,071,675 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:10:29 PM Ignore miser709 Report Abuse They were forced to do it.
Bigwaynef Champion Author South Carolina Posts:11,487 Points:2,082,710 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:09:44 PM Ignore Bigwaynef Report Abuse Boy they need to switch...
Ray_10589 Champion Author New York Posts:4,956 Points:1,184,935 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:09:37 PM Ignore Ray_10589 Report Abuse really ....
estroh Champion Author Indiana Posts:3,619 Points:732,750 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:08:56 PM Ignore estroh Report Abuse "Will Truckers Ditch Diesel?" Answer: They already are. In droves....http://www.cleanenergyfuels.com/corporate.html
millerin Champion Author Orlando Posts:2,317 Points:483,090 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:08:26 PM Ignore millerin Report Abuse hmmm...
cmsense Champion Author Columbus Posts:1,358 Points:165,345 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:08:16 PM Ignore cmsense Report Abuse Go for it !!!!!
LegoVasavouchi Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:1,659 Points:114,390 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:08:14 PM Ignore LegoVasavouchi Report Abuse Fascinating.
UseLessGasFolks Champion Author Iowa Posts:5,451 Points:1,296,825 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:08:00 PM Ignore UseLessGasFolks Report Abuse They will have to eventually.
FlyNFool Champion Author South Carolina Posts:8,249 Points:1,686,175 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:07:43 PM Ignore FlyNFool Report Abuse I like that idea judgemobile!
judgemobile Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,575 Points:2,446,110 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:06:46 PM Ignore judgemobile Report Abuse Humans produce METHANE in huge quantities--why not use all that FREE fuel ?
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:10,547 Points:1,860,320 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:06:38 PM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse Go natural if you can.
Dsin44 Champion Author Abbotsford Posts:1,272 Points:273,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:06:30 PM Ignore Dsin44 Report Abuse yuup!!!
yakstar Champion Author Montreal Posts:2,430 Points:480,845 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:05:47 PM Ignore yakstar Report Abuse ...better fuel economy?
eaglev Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:4,001 Points:937,155 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:04:27 PM Ignore eaglev Report Abuse Good move now lets start with the personal cars
N5EXY Champion Author Austin Posts:5,502 Points:1,511,580 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 11:03:46 PM Ignore N5EXY Report Abuse "Build a better mousetrap - - - - "
jessek Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,657 Points:1,280,490 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 10:57:29 PM Ignore jessek Report Abuse If they're smart they will ditch diesel.
DustyHorse Champion Author Virginia Posts:6,093 Points:1,393,120 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 10:52:00 PM Ignore DustyHorse Report Abuse I think it makes a lot of sense for local travel fleet vehicles.
Z51Corvette Champion Author Austin Posts:8,490 Points:1,672,170 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 10:51:41 PM Ignore Z51Corvette Report Abuse I seriously doubt it!
ShadowACE Champion Author Boston Posts:9,028 Points:2,151,525 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 10:49:15 PM Ignore ShadowACE Report Abuse I doubt it. Unless they can come up with a solution that can haul those heavy loads better and cheaper - and readily available - they won't. Nor would I dump my Diesel to tow my 5th wheel trailer. Diesel is the way to go.
regasaz Champion Author Phoenix Posts:5,775 Points:1,282,380 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 10:49:08 PM Ignore regasaz Report Abuse Don't believe that will happen in the near future. To many independents that couldn't swing the initial investments required.
HumminRound Veteran Author Washington DC Posts:253 Points:160,995 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 10:48:25 PM Ignore HumminRound Report Abuse humm...