sluggopyle
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Message Posted: May 15, 2012 11:15:22 PM
Interesting. I haven't "demanded" a thing here; you're the one insisting that everyone follow the herd, while my position has been to think for oneself independently. Kind of reveals who the control freak is.
(=> Your prejudiced, infantile, twisted outlook disgusts me <= QED.)
Nor have we discussed at all "what kind of cars get into accidents", or the sizes of cars at all. Nor is any of that in the OP. It's about the effect of excessive speed on mileage. Not about left lanes, not how big a car is, and not freaking trucks in Australia jumping into oncoming traffic.
What color were those mushrooms, dude? Got any more?
[Edited by: sluggopyle at 5/16/2012 12:21:19 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 15, 2012 7:49:50 PM
You are a genuine nut bag. Once again you have proved how one sided you are. I'm at a computer now, as opposed to a phone, so I can provide you with a link to a condition you exhibit. And one more to counter your demand that tiny unsafe cars do not get into accidents. Your prejudiced, infantile, twisted outlook disgusts me, I am through with you. You can go rot in....you guessed it.
[Edited by: BanTheEPA at 5/15/2012 8:50:22 PM EST]
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: May 15, 2012 5:10:56 PM
Congratulations on dragging out the thread to a thousand posts, but your tank is empty.
=> The cause of that accident has nothing to do with what I was showing you. <=
No skit. That's what I just told you.
=> You intimated that a vehicle cannot be made into a pankcake <=
I said nothing of the kind. We were talking about driving reasonable speeds versus following the herd. Pancakes are not involved. Trucks going the wrong way when the driver falls asleep are also not involved. What we *were* on is the question of whether it's "irresponsible" to not follow the herd regardless how they drive. Oncoming lorries jumping lanes have zero to do with that.
=> Many people would not consider it safe in a collision. <=
Another irrelevancy. "Many people" do not drive my cars. I do. And they don't GET into collisions; that's the whole point of their design, thanks anyway.
=> Honda0105 has a good point for you too. <=
No, Honda had an affirmation for LeftLane who, once again, brought up a strawman that nobody else was talking about. Personally I think those who drive in the left lane and are not passing something should be shot on sight, but I already made that point about New Orleans drivers. So if it ever *had* been brought up as a topic, there would have been no one to argue the point with.
Although I have faith that you'd reach for a way...
[Edited by: sluggopyle at 5/15/2012 6:20:30 PM EST]
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BanTheEPA
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Message Posted: May 15, 2012 8:41:56 AM
Slug,
You childish waste of space,anyone here knows how to use paragraphs. I have told you over and over I CHOOSE not to with you because of your attitude. Creating links is easy too. Just not going to do it when sending a message from a smart phone. The cause of that accident has nothing to do with what I was showing you. You intimated that a vehicle cannot be made into a pankcake, well that picture was pretty close. I do not care if you car can jump, do somersaults or even get next to you while you both lay on your backs and cry like babies. Many people would not consider it safe in a collision. Honda0105 has a good point for you too.
[Edited by: BanTheEPA at 5/15/2012 9:49:01 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 15, 2012 4:43:48 AM
LeftLane: good point. Hogging the left (or for that matter, the middle lane) when there's room to move into the right lane can create more hazardous conditions for other drivers than most sluggish drivers realize.
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: May 13, 2012 12:25:07 PM
VERY good! I know that's a big step. Now you may get more than one person reading your posts. Imagine that. Next we'll work on links (which look like this, the clicking of which shows a car and a truck going OPPOSITE directions, after the truck driver fell asleep. Nothing whatsoever to do with how fast either was going. Actually the slower this car had been going, the less the impact.
So you went all the way to Australia to try to defend sheep mentality, and instead came up with a truck going the wrong way. And you think I'M the one who's going to crash from lack of observation.
I tellya, you can't make this stuff up.
That car in my avatar will dart sideways faster than you can go forward. That's why I bought it. It rides on rails. Eat yer heart out.
Good luck out there. Try not to go the wrong way. And try to control yourself independent of the mob mentality instead of trying to draw in and control others.
[Edited by: sluggopyle at 5/13/2012 1:29:43 PM EST]
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BanTheEPA
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Message Posted: May 13, 2012 11:50:23 AM
Keep on spitting your childish banter if it makes you feel better. Sorry you thought I was so literal with the word "pancake" but the picture in this link is close to what I meant.
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/three-dead-in-horror-truck-crash-on-hume-highway/story-fn7x8me2-1226252673577
People move around and pass slow moving vehicles with people like you in them and if you don't like it, tough! Just don't wind up like the car in the link above, especially if you are driving that queer little car pictured in your avatar. You wouldnt have a hope and a prayer. Well, enough wasting time with you. Oh, I put in a couple carriage returns for you too.
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: May 13, 2012 11:00:01 AM
Yeah um.. actually nothing like that has ever happened in well over a million miles of driving back to the Johnson Administration. It really pays to learn the difference between reality and your own unhinged fantasy.
The article makes a sweeping generalization on that figure. The actual threshhold is going to vary with car design (and weather and road conditions etc) but the general theory is valid. So don't worry, I know where my sweet spot is, plus I have this disease called "thinking" that makes the idea of "what everybody else is doing" a trivial matter rather than a master. Ergo sometimes I'll do 60, sometimes 65. Speeds above that are just not cost-effective unless I'm taking a gravity ride. But that decision is mine, and if you don't like it ... well, tough.
Unlike those that depend on being controlled by mass mentality, I make my own decisions, so that is that. Accept the fact that you cannot control what others are doing, and move on already.
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Message Posted: May 13, 2012 10:42:25 AM
You are not driving for efficiency if you go 65, remember this article says that for each 5 over 60 is like paying an additional 20 cents. And I never said I like 85, remember I said that is in the extreme range, actually I said 90 is extreme but 85 is close enough. There is nothing absurd about going with a reasonable flow of traffic, you are the one looking silly on the road. Now go out there and get turned into a Peterbuilt pancake!
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Message Posted: May 13, 2012 8:53:37 AM
Now don't get the idea I'm personally fond of traffic laws. I drive for efficiency, not legality. That's exactly and entirely the reason I'm doing 65 while you're doing 85. I'm not even conscious of what the speed limit IS except to prepare for a pop quiz. No, I'm just pointing out the absurdity of your hopeless position, proposing that those who do not join the crowd in breaking the law are "irresponsible" in the land of Doublethink. The more you go on with this, the sillier it looks.
And this
is a carriage return. "Enter" means something else computerally.
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Message Posted: May 12, 2012 11:32:57 PM
Noone is changing positions, not me and not you. Don't worry, noone wants you to help them rob, steal and muder, just go along with traffic flow. No need for acting holier than thou art about your esteemed ethics regarding traffic laws. You just don't care about anyone following you. Pitiful. I go with traffic flow and have a flawless traffic record, even though I drive with traffic flow whether it be at or above the speed limit. About the carriage return (which died with the end of the typewriter) I already told you why I don't used the enter/return button, it makes you smile!
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: May 12, 2012 9:58:47 PM
=> driving UNDER the speed limit or UNDER the flow of traffic <=
And those are not necessarily the same thing. I see you trying to shift your position. Considering what that position is I don't blame you, although you seem still enamored of that silly canard that it's "irresponsible" to drive within legal limits just because other people are ignoring them, and therefore it's "irresponsible" not to join them in their outlaw behavior, bleating all the way. Pitiful. I didn't think mob mentality actually had fans.
And for chrissake find the carriage return button. Discover paragraph technology. I'm about done with the eyestrain.
[Edited by: sluggopyle at 5/12/2012 11:05:21 PM EST]
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BanTheEPA
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Message Posted: May 12, 2012 9:47:53 PM
If you are driving reasonably within the speed limit you are ok, but if people are passing you because you are driving UNDER the speed limit or UNDER the flow of traffic then you are causing a problem. Simply put, do not cause back ups behind you. Sure the person who rear ends someone is irresponsible and was not paying much attention, but what you simply cannot seem to understand is that by driving far slower than traffic flow (whether is flowing at the speed limit or above the speed limit) you are behaving irresponsibly by causing hazardous back ups. Oh, lanes were brought up in my first post to you. I said that when you are driving 20 under the flow of traffic that "This means people have to merge into other lanes and pass you and that is when most collisions occur on highways." Sure they don't HAVE to pass you, they can poke along behind you but who wants to do that. You just want a sacrificial driver behind you so that they get hit instead of you. And just because you think you have not had any near hits does not mean you have not, people like you do not pay enough attention to your surroundings to even know. After all according to you, the road is yours, everyone else is in a crazed mob consisting of lunatics and lemmings; therefore these sub class people deserve to be stuck behind you and have no right to pass you by safely.
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Message Posted: May 12, 2012 9:29:46 PM
Nobody brought up lanes. At all. Period.
So basically what you're saying is a driver operating reasonably within the speed limits isn't causing a hazard, but your own failure to avoid him because of your irresponsible driving *is* his fault. In other words you blame your inability to think for yourself on somebody who doesn't have that limitation. Thanks for clearing that up. A logical train wreck.
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Message Posted: May 11, 2012 10:41:20 PM
Leftlane brought up the left lane because children like you are creating a hazard that people behind you have to pass. These people have to merge around you and some are not very careful about it which can get you rear ended, side swiped, etc. Sure its not your fault that someone was not using good judgement changing lanes but they would not have had to change lanes if you were not poking along in that lane. They have the same right to be on the road as you do, and if you have to right to poke along then they have the right to get around you. And there you go again demanding that everybody out there is destroying their engines. Holding a steady 75mph does not destroy any engine. Damage is only done if they are constantly slamming on brakes and redlining the engine during acceleration. I agree Atlanta does take it way overboard with the speeding, Johannesburg is another city that has ridiculous traffic with even more ridiculous drivers and you have to do that with a stick shift with the drivers seat opposite of what we are used to. Try driving there, I have. Better yet, don't try it, the people there would shoot you right in your drivers seat. You have proven your stupidity again, I said earlier that 90 is extreme and not safe, then you say that my logic says 100mph is safe? Gotta learn to read there Corky. As far as where to draw the line of extreme, its whatever traffic flow is that day, it its 65 then fine, next day it might be moving at 75 but 85 and up, yes it is getting extreme. Just don't pass recklessly, drive much faster than those around you or drive much SLOWER than those around you and voila, you are now miraculously driving WITH the flow of traffic. I know it is a hard concept for you to swallow but it is what it is. Your narcissistic attitude is showing blatantly. Everyone around you is a lemming, imbecile, part of the mob and whatever else; they are all dead wrong and you are the supreme being who is always right. Well wake up to reality Corky! By the way, hope you like the lack of carriage return, I know it makes you smile.
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: May 11, 2012 7:09:20 PM
Let's just go back-to-front, as that was quite a ramble with the usual lack of carriage return.
Leftlane brought in a red herring. I never mentioned driving in any particular lane, neither did you, neither did anyone else. So that's a dead issue. And that's not "mad" at all-- it's just busting bad logic.
=> traffic flow at 90mph is extreme and not safe anywhere, a somewhat lower flow should be reasonable and expected out of every motorist driving with half a brain and capeable vehicle. <=
Of course. The thing is, if 90 is extreme, is 88? Is 84? 79? Where do you draw the line? Assuming we're talking a highway with a speed limit of 70, it's *all* extreme.
But that's not my point. I pay little if any attention to what the speed limit is anyway; the point is I'm not going to be cowed into that 79, 84 or 88 by a bunch of lemmings; I choose my own speed, and if it's reasonable within the legal and practical limitations of the highway, then that's what I'll use, period. I don't *need* the permission of the mob. And neither does anyone else.
=> I don't go with the traffic flow "because everyone else is doing it" but rather because it is dangerous not too. <=
Unfounded Bolshoi. I cruise like that all the time, and it doesn't endanger me. If anything they endanger themselves. It ain't my problem, any more than their gulping gas and tearing up their engine is.
And yes, I do go through some urban areas in the course of long trips, most often Chattanooga, Birmingham, and commuting through New Orleans. My favorite is Chattaooga, since it has all those twisty curves I can play. When I get into a city I tend to speed up anyway, the better to get through it. And the locals get ever crazier and ever faster. That's exactly why I'm anxious to get through it. They make it dangerous (I'm talking to you, Birmingham...).
I tell you what, you want to see some dangerously speedy idiot drivers, take a trip through Atlanta. They think it's some kind of race track. But by the logic you've held up to now, it would be a safer place if everybody was going 100 mph. That ain't gonna happen. Interestingly, they don't ALL drive that way; there are plenty of Atlanta drivers mixed in going reasonable speeds. It's quite a variety of speeds; I'd say on a typical day without a traffic jam you'd find a spread of 40 mpg between low and high speeds.
In New Orleans, by contrast, most people drive as if they personally invented the Quaalude and they're testing version six. On the highways that's fine, except that they have a really annoying tendency to get into the left lane. I've never figured out why (Leftlane, there's your cue ;-)
By the way "who won" is sarcasm. A reference to those who drive as if the highway is some kind of competition, seemingly oblivious to the fact that it isn't. I'm sure you also notice how a car will pass you solely because you exist. The fact is, lemmings will repeat the same patterns over and over without a single thought as to why they're doing it. Some of us however like to stop and question these things. And dump those patterns that make no sense. I did. And you can too.
[Edited by: sluggopyle at 5/11/2012 8:16:06 PM EST]
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Message Posted: May 11, 2012 6:22:48 PM
Well if the lunatical mob (each one of them panicked in their seats and weeping and gnashing their teeth as you believe) traveling at 80mph you are referring to are passing eachother by, honking, swerving etc then you could assume they are racing. Why they are racing and they each have different destinations is beyond me, how would someone know if they "won" or not?. Now if they are just moving along together at a good clip then it is merely traffic flow. I hope for your sake and those around you that you don't travel through large urban areas where traffic like this is pretty common. I don't drive through it much myself anymore but know how to drive denensively and safely when it does happen. I don't go with the traffic flow "because everyone else is doing it" but rather because it is dangerous not too. Now I know you will have more narcissistic remarks so I'll be clear that traffic flow at 90mph is extreme and not safe anywhere, a somewhat lower flow should be reasonable and expected out of every motorist driving with half a brain and capeable vehicle. And don't get mad at leftlane, you are the minority here, like I said before we could take a poll and see who sides with who.
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: May 10, 2012 10:27:33 PM
=> No one is racing anybody, they are just keeping up with traffic flow. <=
OK, I'll amend. If "traffic flow" is, say, 80-90 mph... who are THEY racing?
It's an unreasonably inefficient speed, no matter what. I'm not going there. Because the worst reason to do anything is "because everybody else is doing it". When we capitulate to mob mentality, we sacrifice our own discipline. Not to mention free will.
LeftLane-- who said anything at all about driving in the left lane? The left lane is for passing, period. That's a given. I never mentioned a left lane and I don't think Ban, or anyone else, did either.
Curb your strawman. No one here brought up the left lane. You're reading your own name.
[Edited by: sluggopyle at 5/10/2012 11:31:58 PM EST]
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Message Posted: May 10, 2012 2:23:52 PM
Slugo, my friend, I think you are just here to argue counter points, I have been on a few forums that you like to take your own "psychological and philosophical points of view" and debate how you have a superior view.
If you are on a freeway and you choose to go 60 mph in a right(slower)lane, which could be significantly lower than the flow of traffic, then as long as you are above the minimum speed, you HAVE that right, I agree. But this is if you have chosen the far right lane where other like minded motorists are also of your mindset.
In my state, and most states, if you were in the left lane of traffic and moving slower than the flow of traffic, you would be guilty of several law violations, including "impeding traffic" and failing to yield to overtaking traffic from the rear in the passing lane, which is the leftmost lane on a multi-lane or divided highways, which IS creating a unsafe environment for yourself and all other drivers. It also seems to lead to roadrage as well. Since on another forum you went into days debating your love of very small cars and how safe they can be, it would also seem you wouldn't want to be in unsafe conditions at even 60 mph. This maybe more about you and others attempting to FORCE your Opinion and Will onto others. I personally will move right for anyone overtaking me in the left lanes regardless of my speed as long as I can safely do so (in my personal car, it is not my job to enforce any speed limits).
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Message Posted: May 10, 2012 8:18:05 AM
slug,
We'll have to agree to disagree. No one is racing anybody, they are just keeping up with traffic flow. There is a difference between passing, weaving in and out of lanes, etc and driving WITH the traffic flow. If you go the speed limit that is pretty much fine, if you want to go far below then you are causing problems such as they guy in my situation, no matter how you put it you are causing problems. Yes they guy who hit me was at fault but the poke in front of me set the situation up. Now if you want to back traffic up behind you, here's hoping you are made into a Peterbuilt pancake one day! Just don't get anyone else hurt please!
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Message Posted: May 10, 2012 5:40:39 AM
It may cost more, but when you absolutely, positively need to get there on time, speed is the answer.
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Virgin55
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Message Posted: May 10, 2012 1:51:27 AM
ok
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Message Posted: May 10, 2012 12:28:43 AM
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 7:03:45 AM
"So, let's all go back to Jimmy Carter's 55mph??"
olebufnav,
Your memory appears to be fading. The 55 mph speed limit was signed into law by Richard Nixon.
National Maximum Speed Law
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Message Posted: May 10, 2012 12:16:26 AM
Very true. Imagine how much those guys doing 90 are spending on gas. :-)
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Message Posted: May 10, 2012 12:05:07 AM
So now they're saying high gas prices are our fault?
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Message Posted: May 10, 2012 12:00:57 AM
So!!!!
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Message Posted: May 10, 2012 12:00:25 AM
Driver's choice not the retailer's. So be it!
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:59:56 PM
The only time my lead foot costs me more is when I am drag racing my car at the local drag strip.
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:58:46 PM
If I'm using my lead foot too much, it's because too many people are getting in my way and I'm just trying to get past them.
Had to re-write that one twice to remove the epithets. LOL
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:54:56 PM
not sure about that
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:54:32 PM
Increase the speed limit and let the diver decide.
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:53:50 PM
Terribly written article.
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:51:21 PM
We both try driving the speed limit and are usually the slowest vehicle on the road. Where are the state police when you need them? Oh, I forgot that is a form of regulation that needs to be eliminated along with the totally unnecessary food safety regulations...
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:50:43 PM
if i get a speeding ticket, it will be due to faulty equipment by whoever clocked me..
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:49:31 PM
et voilà!
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:48:47 PM
This is true. I don't drive over 50 MPG now. I went from 34MPG to 42 MPG driving slower. I tried to do a link to my Fuelly page, but Gasbuddy must be blocking it.
[Edited by: joel27nc at 5/10/2012 12:50:31 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:44:04 PM
Ok
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:37:09 PM
Driving faster does hurt mileage
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:35:28 PM
BS ALERT!!!
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:35:06 PM
=> There's nothing cute about my child getting injured in a car accident <=
No, not at all. What's cute is the way you want to lay the blame the only guy who was driving responsibly and forget the perpetrator just to prove a point you can't possibly win. That's a desperate maneuver to try to validate your own slavish sheepthink.
As the teachers in grade school used to say, if everyone jumped in the lake, would you jump in too?
=> who expects people to drive that slow in normal traffic?" <=
Um... drivers paying attention. Is this a trick question?
Sorry, I'm not buying into mob mentality. Never did. And I'm here to tell you the scare stories you imagine just do not exist. Get off the treadmill and think for yourself.
Yes I'm sure my 19-year old wagon could "handle" 80 mph all day (and it's done more than that while coasting) but I'm not going to push it there, AND waste gas, AND tear up my nerves, just so I can validate some yahoos who want to go the same speed for reasons they can't even articulate. Far as I'm concerned they can go sit on a tack. How do you think I put 400 thousand miles on the car? (not the one in the avatar, but I treat it just as well)
If I could find it online I'd post a cartoon that sums this all up. Hobbes is lying around reading a book and Calvin comes in bellowing, "come on, up and at 'em! Can't get ahead by lying around! Without even looking up, Hobbes asks "Who are we racing?" Of course this stops Calvin in his tracks. Calvin: "Obviously, we're ... um ... well .. uh .. I'm too busy to explain this stuff! I've got important work to do! Very important!"
Think about it-- who are you racing? People just don't take the time to think.
[Edited by: sluggopyle at 5/10/2012 12:42:31 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:34:26 PM
Another bunch of crap.
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:31:56 PM
Goodnight.
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:31:23 PM
Speed costs.
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:30:20 PM
I think Hummers burn gas sitting still.
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:30:17 PM
yep!
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HailstormCA
Champion Author
San Diego
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:30:03 PM
Hrumph!
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bra0712
Champion Author
Arizona
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:28:05 PM
Tho
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Eugenian
Champion Author
Oregon
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:27:53 PM
It's not just the leadfoots that are wasting gas. It's also the fools who think they need a 5,000 lb. SUV or a 6,000 lb. truck to transport them across town to the office or to the mall.
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PontiacGAM
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Virginia
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:26:51 PM
Indeed!
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gus8441
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Baltimore
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 11:26:02 PM
i'll live with it
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