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Hydrogen could boost gas mileage in cars; UNF prof skeptical

Florida Times-Union -- With gas prices eclipsing $4 per gallon for the first time since 2008, the technology of hydrogen-to-internal combustion engines is gaining traction.

Littlefoot Integrations run by Vaughn Paul of Bryceville is beginning to make some headway with hydrogen technology he says can increase gas mileage by 30 percent to as much as 70 percent.

Paul bills his device as “water for fuel.” The system he offers — $599 for smaller engines and $799 for engines larger than 5.7 liters — is a hydrogen extraction device that boosts a regular gasoline or diesel-fed engine with hydrogen.

“The goal of the product is to increase gas mileage,” Paul said. “We supplement gasoline or diesel with hydrogen. … It basically creates hydrogen from water.”


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Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:56:42 PM

"Water-fueled cars", even if they could work, are a great demonstration of the law of unintended consequences. Believe it or not, we actually have greater access to oil than we do clean water. Plenty of places in this country have scarce water resources. If we started using vast quantities of drinking water to fuel our vehicles, that means the water wouldn't be there to drink.

How much is a 12 oz bottle of Poland Spring? Now imagine buying 20 gallons to fill your car.
yeehaw1073
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:55:41 PM

Interesting
Ticoman54
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:53:55 PM

interesting...
gumbyrex
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:51:58 PM

Sounds like one of those turn manure into gold bullion infomercials.
skyking19
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:51:02 PM

This has great potential!
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:49:58 PM

For the record, as nice as this article sounds, it flies in the face of physics.

The inventor claims that the energy required to split water into hydrogen and oxygen would come from the car's battery. Well that battery needs to be charged by the car's alternator, otherwise that battery will be dead very quickly. The alternator is run by the engine. If the alternator has to run constantly to charge the battery, the engine will have to rev higher to increase the alternator's electricity flow to the battery. If the engine revs higher, the fuel flow will be higher and mileage will decrease.

There is no way that enough hydrogen can be produced through electrolysis to make up for the mileage loss. Sorry, everyone. Save your money. There really is no such a thing as a free lunch.
FFootdoc12
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:49:07 PM

if this technology is out there we need more of it!
netman044
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:48:54 PM

Develop a natural gas infrastructure, use proven natural gas technology and do it quickly. This sounds like old fashioned alchemy.
WestMichigan
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:47:32 PM

Is it snake oil?
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:47:03 PM

If you believe this I got a bridge to sell.
Mythbusters tried this along with other gas saving devices. It doesn't work. They even tried pure hydrogen.
crowefamily1
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:46:49 PM

sounds like a comic book horror story they turn water into fuel and then blow the planet up.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:45:21 PM

ok
Mowerman08
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:44:32 PM

Increase your mileage with water plans have been around for ages. Sooner or later someone will come up with one that works.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:43:46 PM

hope it works
theschmuck
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:42:57 PM

Another 'brainstorming idea' that has yet to be proven in reality and just makes it sound good to raise hopes that most of you will be long gone before any results are shown.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:42:48 PM

Will wait untill the final results.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:42:28 PM

More analysis needed.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:40:08 PM

NOT!
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:39:55 PM

crap
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:39:35 PM

Yeah...they will work as good if not better then those water injection systems sold in the 1970's....LOL
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:35:36 PM

Yeah, just like ethanol...what a crock!
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:34:41 PM

COOL! TIME WILL TELL IF IT REALLY WORKS!
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:34:30 PM

yeah
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:32:01 PM

I'm thinking compressed natural gas makes more sense.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:31:25 PM

whatever
Chris46
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:26:58 PM

This will only work in warm states.
Racer63w
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:26:32 PM

Yeah....right!
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:23:20 PM

I'm skeptical....
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:22:41 PM

I will be very interested in seeing the results of their tests to see how much it actually saves.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:19:33 PM

OK what about freezing? not everyone lives in FL.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:18:18 PM

If you believe this, I have a sack of energy pills I'll sell to you cheap.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:17:58 PM

its about time
KMaria13
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:15:03 PM

Finally
raj_fl
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:15:01 PM

need to put that on trucks and larger cars
TDIdave
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:13:27 PM

slightly interesting.
indyjim
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:11:53 PM

He could take it a step further and use the resultant hydrogen for fuel cell technology and mileage will skyrocket.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:11:27 PM

Sounds interesting.
swrestler
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:06:54 PM

Sounds Good, If It Works...
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:05:29 PM

if it works, government will force more additives to lower milage like ethanol
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 7:58:47 PM

do it, time will tell
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 7:58:14 PM

lets get it in the works
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 7:57:00 PM

Just do it.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 7:56:54 PM

Good luck.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 7:52:39 PM

Wonderful.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 7:52:17 PM

proof is in no nonsense outside testing, ask consumer reports to test him
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 7:51:38 PM

It would seem that these claims could easily be refuted or proven by the scientific community.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 7:48:35 PM

I'd like to see the results of that endeavor.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 7:48:00 PM

This has been studied for years, if it was in any way viable, we would have heard a lot more about it by now.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 7:46:04 PM

Interesting....
MopedTime
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 7:42:22 PM

It's too bad the internal combustion engines were highly inefficient energy-wise. Did anyone invent pills to help improve gas mileage yet?
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 7:41:35 PM

Interesting - Thanks for posting.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 7:41:12 PM

Lets hear from an independent evaluation
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