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yours16 Veteran Author Texas Posts:368 Points:79,145 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Aug 28, 2009 6:36:15 PM Ignore yours16 Report Abuse i came across this article, "Cheap wheat to help meet EU fuel demand" (http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-GreenBusiness/idUSTRE57R2DJ20090828), which says: Demand for bioethanol, a renewable substitute for petrol normally made from either grains or sugar crops, is increasing in the EU. It is seen as a way to reduce emissions of the greenhouse gases believed to contribute to climate change. Wheat is now in pole position to help meet the demand with the price of alternative feedstock sugar rising to the highest levels in nearly three decades earlier this month and sugar-derived bioethanol imports from Brazil on the wane. ______________________ now US has been a major wheat producing country. In fact, in 2007, it is third in ranking, among other wheat producing countries: Top Ten Wheat Producers Below are the leading wheat producers for the 2005-6 season. The top 10 producers accounted for over two-thirds of global wheat harvests. China … 96.2 million tonnes (15.4% of global wheat production) India … 72 million (11.5%) United States … 57.1 million (9.1%) Russia … 45.5 million (7.3%) France … 36.9 million (5.9%) Canada … 25.5 million (4.1%) Australia … 24.1 million (3.8%) Germany … 23.6 million (3.8%) Pakistan … 21.6 million (3.4%) Turkey … 21 million (3.4%)Read more: http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/top_ten_wheat_countries#ixzz0PWVdbeHy Considering that there are vast areas of land, barren and may prove to be productive, would it be time to address the issue of alternative energy source?

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i came across this article, "Cheap wheat to help meet EU fuel demand" (http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-GreenBusiness/idUSTRE57R2DJ20090828), which says: Demand for bioethanol, a renewable substitute for petrol normally made from either grains or sugar crops, is increasing in the EU. It is seen as a way to reduce emissions of the greenhouse gases believed to contribute to climate change.

Wheat is now in pole position to help meet the demand with the price of alternative feedstock sugar rising to the highest levels in nearly three decades earlier this month and sugar-derived bioethanol imports from Brazil on the wane.

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now US has been a major wheat producing country. In fact, in 2007, it is third in ranking, among other wheat producing countries:

Top Ten Wheat Producers
Below are the leading wheat producers for the 2005-6 season. The top 10 producers accounted for over two-thirds of global wheat harvests.

China … 96.2 million tonnes (15.4% of global wheat production)
India … 72 million (11.5%)
United States … 57.1 million (9.1%)
Russia … 45.5 million (7.3%)
France … 36.9 million (5.9%)
Canada … 25.5 million (4.1%)
Australia … 24.1 million (3.8%)
Germany … 23.6 million (3.8%)
Pakistan … 21.6 million (3.4%)
Turkey … 21 million (3.4%)Read more: http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/top_ten_wheat_countries#ixzz0PWVdbeHy

Considering that there are vast areas of land, barren and may prove to be productive, would it be time to address the issue of alternative energy source?

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jacksfan Champion Author Lincoln Posts:2,554 Points:1,236,180 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Aug 31, 2009 1:50:40 PM Ignore jacksfan Report Abuse "If you are going to use something why use a food crop? Why not use something like sugar beets and keep the wheat for food." Gee Archer, what do you think sugarbeets are raised for? That would be sugar, Archer. Last I check, sugar is food. Heck, in my diet, it's an entire food group.
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,930 Points:2,214,610 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Aug 31, 2009 8:40:40 AM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse With corn and wheat, you also get distillers grain as a by-product. I'm not sure if there would be as much of a market for the beet byproducts, but it probably could be fed to swine. Interestingly, there are plans for Associated British Foods to partner with Du Pont and BP to produce biobutanol from surplus sugar beets
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,930 Points:2,214,610 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Aug 30, 2009 8:13:25 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse yours16, there have always been and unfortunately, always will be poor starving peoples of this world. I think that finding alternatives for oil will help keep oil prices down, and thus help keep food prices down.
Shockjock1961 Champion Author Illinois Posts:20,107 Points:2,183,210 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Aug 30, 2009 7:45:31 PM Ignore Shockjock1961 Report Abuse You just have to wonder what kind of further welfare payments the wheat farmers will be asking for if they start using wheat to create ethanol, not to mention mandates and other socialistic programs....
yours16 Veteran Author Texas Posts:368 Points:79,145 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Aug 30, 2009 5:59:02 PM Ignore yours16 Report Abuse funny SilverStreaker ---------- if the urban planners and socio-economic movers are that dumb, then, nobody will be sitting on their comfy chairs sipping a cup of good coffee its laughable you asked me of that its like saying that this civilization has come to a dumb conclusion of not being able to balance what can be appropriated and what can't...its not about the whole barren land being solely dedicated to the concept...its about studying the feasibility i could still see undedicated lands in Texas...and they are not being used for anything but nevertheless, this country has had welcome diversified thoughts and its so fun to have some comforts in laughter and by the way, there is a big chance that you may have been using oil for food containers...check out your plastics ---------------------- it is so deplorable that we often forget about the distinction of courtesy and being rude..and this country has been having a lot of it lately
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,930 Points:2,214,610 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Aug 30, 2009 2:05:25 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse yours16, do you wear cotton clothes, or insist that your cloths be petro-chemical based? Do you own land, and if so, is all of available land devoted solely to raising food?
yours16 Veteran Author Texas Posts:368 Points:79,145 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Aug 30, 2009 9:52:54 AM Ignore yours16 Report Abuse i see and respect your point buddy goldseeker....it may seem that way, just that the moral dilemma is present...at any how, this concern has been subjected to both pros and antagonists...i would want to see that this resource is tapped, as i've said "Considering that there are vast areas of land, barren and may prove to be productive, would it be time to address the issue of alternative energy source?"
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,531 Points:2,716,865 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Aug 30, 2009 6:57:34 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse "there were even comments about feeding the hungry in africa and that there should be stoppage of using any food based sources for fuel " Nothing but BS, as there is no food shortage. Lack of food in Africa is because of brutal regimes, not ethanol or any other biofuel.
yours16 Veteran Author Texas Posts:368 Points:79,145 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Aug 29, 2009 1:49:50 PM Ignore yours16 Report Abuse i see the concern of buddy downtown...as with some others here, the concern is about food being used for fuel...when i posted this article in the recent news submission, there were even comments about feeding the hungry in africa and that there should be stoppage of using any food based sources for fuel
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,531 Points:2,716,865 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Aug 29, 2009 7:33:27 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse I do not believe there is any direct wheat use here in US. There is an ethanol plant that uses some wheat gluten. As Rumbleseat has said wheat is being used in Canada. I see wheat straw as a bigger possibility here in the US.
downtown Sophomore Author Oklahoma City Posts:200 Points:105,195 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Aug 29, 2009 6:17:49 AM Ignore downtown Report Abuse feed people or feed a car you decide
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:22,918 Points:3,528,635 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Aug 29, 2009 5:57:02 AM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse We have been using waste wheat since 1981 at the Husky/Mohawk ethanol plant in Lloydminster. [Edited by: rumbleseat at 8/29/2009 6:58:06 AM EST]