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CORNHICK All-Star Author Omaha Posts:597 Points:270,505 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 12:51:10 AM Ignore CORNHICK Report Abuse We need ethanol!!!! if you think it is a rip off your ancient go read the updated true information it is cost affective it use to be sluggish but now that farming techniques have been upgraded it has a net energy gain but it will drop your gas mileage by 1-2% it still has a net energy gain to make!

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We need ethanol!!!! if you think it is a rip off your ancient go read the updated true information it is cost affective it use to be sluggish but now that farming techniques have been upgraded it has a net energy gain but it will drop your gas mileage by 1-2% it still has a net energy gain to make!

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vinman1770 Champion Author Kansas City Posts:3,941 Points:930,170 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 26, 2009 7:24:36 AM Ignore vinman1770 Report Abuse we need to drill here and now. It will take a year or two to get the oil out of the ground. bye that time the price will be higher.
hjz Champion Author Bridgeport Posts:13,837 Points:2,664,390 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Mar 26, 2009 7:17:14 AM Ignore hjz Report Abuse I dont want to be dependent on oil anymore - and it will take a few years before we all dump OPEC - we should just bear it a while longer and deal with it - just keep looking for an alternative till we perfect it
a351c Champion Author Mississippi Posts:9,021 Points:1,696,660 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 22, 2009 2:20:32 AM Ignore a351c Report Abuse CornHick, I guess that explains this post. Are by chance you a corn farmer?
007HS Champion Author California Posts:6,959 Points:1,852,385 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Mar 22, 2009 1:58:21 AM Ignore 007HS Report Abuse Wait until CAP AND TRADE is put into place. Energy is going to go sky HI... $7.00 gas...
CORNHICK All-Star Author Omaha Posts:597 Points:270,505 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 22, 2009 1:22:40 AM Ignore CORNHICK Report Abuse you all don't know the facts your letting the oil companies consume you with believing gasoline is the answer because they have the money to brag to make things seem better than they are gasoline is not the answer and neither is ethanol but ethanol does have AN A ENERGY GAIN
LexRX22s All-Star Author Long Island Posts:991 Points:196,220 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 4:24:36 PM Ignore LexRX22s Report Abuse old news
zornave Champion Author Louisville Posts:13,890 Points:2,204,700 Joined:Jul 2001	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 2:54:13 PM Ignore zornave Report Abuse Wow! There's a news flash!.
FuelPump Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:21,456 Points:3,413,050 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 11:17:52 AM Ignore FuelPump Report Abuse Ethanol is not the answer. It impacts the food supply, and is expensive to produce. As already pointed out, ethanol producers, in order to be able to produce their product seem to require huge subsidies. Doesn't seem to be the answer to our fuel problems to me.
Houckster Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,340 Points:693,335 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 11:03:28 AM Ignore Houckster Report Abuse DJRIO writes: Government has been to lazy to fix the problem. Obama need to think things threw and not fly to from state to state trying to get reelected for the second term. By the time presidental election come around he would traveled more then any other president. ____ That's more than a bit unfair and unrealistic. Getting out of Washington and maintaining contact with the people is essential for a president. He's got huge problems on his plate and he's getting feedback from the people he's working for. That's not a waste of time or money. Beside, getting his story out is difficult with the quality of American journalism falling by the day.
Shockjock1961 Champion Author Illinois Posts:20,107 Points:2,183,210 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 10:53:22 AM Ignore Shockjock1961 Report Abuse If ethanol is so cost effective, then why are ethanol producers constantly lobbying for and getting Billions of dollars in welfare from the feds every year to keep them going?
Emmasdad Champion Author Colorado Posts:1,040 Points:43,050 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 10:51:16 AM Ignore Emmasdad Report Abuse It has already been proven that there is not enough supply to meet demand for ethanol. All of the farmers in the world couldn't meet demand.
DJRIO Champion Author Miami Posts:8,035 Points:1,423,635 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 9:30:22 AM Ignore DJRIO Report Abuse You guys have to realize for decades . we had no energy policy. We had band aid and quick fixes energy problem. Words come into to my mind. conserve energy, plan things out and work long term goals. It put more in your pocket. It helps but it is only part of the solution. Government has been to lazy to fix the problem. Obama need to think things threw and not fly to from state to state trying to get reelected for the second term. By the time presidental election come around he would traveled more then any other president.
tommie1954 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:12,992 Points:2,706,645 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 9:18:17 AM Ignore tommie1954 Report Abuse We need something other then OIL and GAS! love to stick it to the oil companies and see them go out of business!
abrickle Champion Author Rochester Posts:9,011 Points:1,941,740 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 7:28:27 AM Ignore abrickle Report Abuse They go up, they go down.....
abeazar Champion Author Tampa Posts:18,583 Points:3,621,150 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 7:28:20 AM Ignore abeazar Report Abuse Stinks bigtime! Ethanol reduces mileage substantially! I say no to Ethanol!
cv Champion Author Raleigh Posts:15,201 Points:3,265,605 Joined:Oct 2003	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 7:05:25 AM Ignore cv Report Abuse I'm not sure ethanol is the total answer but if it helps to make us more independent from OPEC crude, it is one small part to help in that manner.
Bus936 Champion Author Lexington Posts:16,439 Points:3,219,030 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 5:21:05 AM Ignore Bus936 Report Abuse What have you gained by using it when the milage goes down in your vehicle? It would have to be much cheaper in order to break even on it.
whyus Champion Author Atlanta Posts:4,305 Points:1,002,625 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 5:06:29 AM Ignore whyus Report Abuse It has yet to prove that it is cheaper then gas.
Houckster Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,340 Points:693,335 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 5:03:22 AM Ignore Houckster Report Abuse Ethanol has to be the biggest ripoff ever. Ethanol has not solved a single problem but it has caused the price of food to increase while not saving us any noticable amount of oil imports. I'm not opposed to biofuels if they work and if they are derived from something other than crops that make food available to millions around the world. Nor am I opposed to farmers making a profit. I want them to make plenty of money but we must develop fuels from cellulosic sources like switch grass. A major problem with ethanol is that most cars can only tolerate a 10% concentration. Right now, ethanol production exceeds demand and it could get worse. Already plants are shutting down and plans for more plants are on hold. With butanol you could increase the concentration in the fuel to 20 or even 30% without a problem. Hopefully, the Obama administration will give this fuel the attention it so richly deserves so that we can produce it from the proper feedstocks with the required efficiency. The biggest threat that ethanol poses is that some people think it is an answer. It's nothing more than a stopgap but believing ethanol is a solution means we won't be looking for the real answer. [Edited by: Houckster at 3/21/2009 6:08:08 AM EST]
sherlockMS Champion Author Mississippi Posts:1,349 Points:470,315 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 4:36:21 AM Ignore sherlockMS Report Abuse ethanol in gas causes you to lose fuel milage
Ratso Champion Author Ohio Posts:18,784 Points:2,683,620 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 4:27:59 AM Ignore Ratso Report Abuse Your full of "corn" ...Ethanol is NOT the answer.
a351c Champion Author Mississippi Posts:9,021 Points:1,696,660 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 3:29:54 AM Ignore a351c Report Abuse My truck doesn't even like it
tlfh46 Champion Author Indiana Posts:14,641 Points:3,133,795 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 2:14:50 AM Ignore tlfh46 Report Abuse Ethanol is not the answer, we need alternative fuel sources and we need to continue to conserve gas on usage.
CORNHICK All-Star Author Omaha Posts:597 Points:270,505 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 1:28:08 AM Ignore CORNHICK Report Abuse have you read the new go to drivingethanol.org
chrisb5 Champion Author Regina Posts:2,072 Points:425,870 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 1:20:36 AM Ignore chrisb5 Report Abuse I don't believe in taking food out of peoples mouths to make fuel for my car.
CaptSquid Champion Author Billings Posts:25,648 Points:3,177,940 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2009 1:17:51 AM Ignore CaptSquid Report Abuse Ethanol IS a joke unless it's over ice at the end of a long day or you need to thaw your gasline. It will increase your fuel consumption by more than 1-2%. Now, about your English... "if you think it is a rip off your ancient..." My ancient what? And, there is an entire forum dedicated to All Things Ethanol. This belongs there.