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goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,755 Points:2,746,515 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2008 11:02:04 PM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse AMES, Okla. — An Oklahoma corn farmer has built an ethanol-fueled Ford Mustang that hit a speed of 252.78 at the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah. Just goes to show that properties associated with ethanol provides you with a means to produce gobs of horsepower.

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AMES, Okla. — An Oklahoma corn farmer has built an ethanol-fueled Ford Mustang that hit a speed of 252.78 at the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah.

Just goes to show that properties associated with ethanol provides you with a means to produce gobs of horsepower.

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blacktop20 Veteran Author North Dakota Posts:365 Points:7,100 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2009 10:44:25 AM Ignore blacktop20 Report Abuse More of the taxpayers money going to support a farmers toy habit! By the way he raises wheat and livestock, that is if he farms on his own. He also received $25,244.00 in subsidies.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,755 Points:2,746,515 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2009 8:47:09 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse pgerassi: Thanks for setting the record straight.
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:11,036 Points:2,159,245 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jan 9, 2009 9:59:44 PM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse BS Tomintx! I have a stock 2001 Ford Focus ZX3 and I run E85 at times. When I do, I have more torque and HP than I do with straight unleaded. Its about 6-10% more depending on what I am doing. I do get about 85% of the MPG of unleaded even though E85 has only 72% of the energy content and is usually priced at 72% of unleaded. Thus I go farther on a dollar with E85 than on unleaded. Its even worse when you substitute RFG for unleaded. RFG gets about 95% of unleaded MPG and usually costs more to boot. If you aren't getting the HP of unleaded, then you likely are running way way too lean which would force you to a lower gear losing MPG as well. Most fuel injected cars can compensate for this like mine does. I still get a fuel system too lean EEC code from time to time, but the engine runs great. Therefore its your vehicle that isn't like most on the road. Most get more HP with E85 in their modern fuel injected cars and trucks.
GM1954 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,950 Points:131,880 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Jan 9, 2009 7:24:45 AM Ignore GM1954 Report Abuse "E85 might allow an engine to create more power in a Koenigsegg but it does it by allowing for higher compression, which allows for the consumption of a bunch more fuel. " I would be interested to see your "science" behind that one tomintx.
Bus936 Champion Author Lexington Posts:16,584 Points:3,247,705 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jan 9, 2009 4:00:34 AM Ignore Bus936 Report Abuse Indy cars and some sprint cars have been running on ethanol for years and years.
jimgraham Champion Author Akron Posts:10,510 Points:2,007,450 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Jan 8, 2009 9:19:53 PM Ignore jimgraham Report Abuse tomintx - Higher compression makes more power by increasing thermal efficiency, not by letting the engine use moe fuel. Do you have any idea what the compression ratio is of a diesel engine compared to a gas engine?
tomintx All-Star Author Dallas Posts:744 Points:80,235 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jan 7, 2009 4:46:33 PM Ignore tomintx Report Abuse The world's leading ethanol shill has stated: "This thread has nothing to do with fuel economy. Here is what the farmer said. 'Brent Hajek wants to show the world fuel containing 85 percent ethanol doesn't cut performance.' And he certainly proved his point." I re-state my position. E-85 cuts performance in EVERY DAY CARS USED BY EVERY DAY PEOPLE. I do not have a 10,000 horsepower race car, and I do not want one. E85 might allow an engine to create more power in a Koenigsegg but it does it by allowing for higher compression, which allows for the consumption of a bunch more fuel. I drive a Volvo. I want to get more fuel economy, and I want to spend less money. I don't want my tax dollars going to fund some lobbyist's lifestyle. And a 10,000 HP Mustang is 100% pointless to the ethanol discussion. Ethanol is a wasted effort. Money and efforts expended spent to develop ethanol is money and efforts that are taking us FARTHER away from an eventual true alternative energy source. Ethanol does not now, nor has it ever, saved a single drop of oil.
Baron62nd Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,156 Points:1,696,945 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Jan 7, 2009 7:25:32 AM Ignore Baron62nd Report Abuse We were getting awesome power out of running pure alcohol in the 60's. The basic engine change was to drill out a set of jets so that great amounts of alcohol were dumped into the engine when the light turned red. Then get the compression up to about 14:1 and use the wildest full race cam you could get your hands on so the alcohol would burn. (Often ran 24 volts through a 12-volt starter so it would start.) You ran 1/4 mile and were towed back to the pit to refuel But that is of no relevance when it comes to efficiency on a low compression grocery getter.
BeepBeeplookout Champion Author London Posts:7,244 Points:434,695 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Dec 30, 2008 11:24:09 PM Ignore BeepBeeplookout Report Abuse Hey, I don't begrudge you your hot-rod. Auto racing has driven technical innovation since the invention of the horseless contraption. A friend once summed up life with this: Every man needs his horse.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,755 Points:2,746,515 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 30, 2008 12:21:35 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse This thread has nothing to do with fuel economy. Here is what the farmer said. "Brent Hajek wants to show the world fuel containing 85 percent ethanol doesn't cut performance." And he certainly proved his point.
PinHeadIN Sophomore Author Indiana Posts:235 Points:68,920 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 29, 2008 11:42:43 PM Ignore PinHeadIN Report Abuse friends dont let friends drive (252.78 mph) fords
eniac1010 All-Star Author Charlotte Posts:734 Points:75,050 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Dec 29, 2008 5:14:00 PM Ignore eniac1010 Report Abuse yep
liprice All-Star Author Long Island Posts:829 Points:150,245 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Dec 29, 2008 10:56:53 AM Ignore liprice Report Abuse This is not news. Race cars run on Ethanol. It gives more power but uses more fuel/mile.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,755 Points:2,746,515 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 29, 2008 7:45:29 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse "No thank you. I would rather have something more practical, like a Mini Cooper or a Toyota Tacoma, run on 100% fossil fuels, no ethanol blend of any kind. " I suppose you will just stay at home when the fossil fuels are gone.
tomintx All-Star Author Dallas Posts:744 Points:80,235 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Dec 28, 2008 8:53:18 PM Ignore tomintx Report Abuse And your point is? How does this relate to real-world efforts to reduce fuel costs or consumption? Using massive amounts of fuel to produce loads of power means what?
WhiskersTheCat All-Star Author Austin Posts:881 Points:1,346,925 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 28, 2008 10:26:51 AM Ignore WhiskersTheCat Report Abuse No thank you. I would rather have something more practical, like a Mini Cooper or a Toyota Tacoma, run on 100% fossil fuels, no ethanol blend of any kind.